09:25:22	 From  Tom Bansak : University of Montana and the Flathead Lake Biological Station are included in several different CESU agreements with numerous federal partners.  Once set up, we find them to be a very easy way of moving funding around.  Much easier than a direct fiscal relationship with an agency or regular granting process.
09:29:29	 From  Molly Stephens : Sarah, what were the foundation fears?
09:29:45	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : Is there anybody in the audience with the research station not in the US Federal Lands?
09:30:12	 From  Anne Kelly : Yes, that’s what we’re doing - going through a “friends” group to fundraise. (CalState/Mojave NP)
09:30:44	 From  Tom Bansak : Flathead Lake Bio Station is not on Federal lands - actually on a Tribal Reservation.  However, we do a lot of research on Federal lands and in conjunction with Federal agencies. 
09:31:00	 From  Anne Kelly : **and yes, we’ve had to convince campus and others we’re reaching out to a new pool of donors.
09:32:09	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : I am curious about stations not in the United States at all.
09:32:27	 From  Michael Flinn : Hancock Biological Station (western KY) is not on federal property. Tennessee Valley Authority gave us the land through a deed but I am currently working with land that TVA owns that borders us with a new agreement on state and federal lands. 
09:34:12	 From  Russell Bradley : Hi David I think everyone here is in the US but if you are on non US federal lands we would love to hear about your experiences and add you to the converstaion
09:34:46	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : sure…I am already seeing we have a lot in common
09:34:54	 From  Jay Reti : The Santa Cruz Island Reserve is on land owned by The Nature Conservancy, but embedded within Channel Islands National Park.  We have an interesting agreement with the NPS that I can speak a bit to, but we are in the process of renewing our agreement and reframing it from a cooperative agreement to a CESU for various reasons.  We are in the midst of this process, but I would be happy to discuss how we’re moving through it.
09:35:38	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : thanks everyone for your responses.
09:44:50	 From  Sarah Oktay : we have a fundraising concurrent session coming up on the program on 130-3 edt tomorrow
09:46:34	 From  Anne Kelly : Does anyone have a blanket research permit for a prescribed set of station activities, like classes?
09:46:45	 From  Molly Stephens : Yosemite Field Station is on Federal land and is a set of buildings (multiple houses and an office/classroom) owned by NPS that UC Merced runs and maintains. We are also under a CESU Cooperative Agreement and currently working to create a Facilities Task Agreement to replace an (expired) Special Use Permit to operate the facilities. We have similar fundraising issues with sensitivity to competing fundraising interests in Yosemite. Buildings are old, and the needs are great!
09:47:51	 From  Sarah Oktay : At Stebbins Cold Canyon we share land with CA Depart of Fish and Wildlife and US Bureau of Land Management. we don't exchange funds but BLM can buy a kiosk and we can install; we are looking at joint funding opportunities for fire recovery and trail repair
09:52:06	 From  Tom Bansak : Anne, in Glacier NP we get one blanket permit for our Education activities/classes; but we get distinct, individual permits for our research projects.
09:54:12	 From  Breezy Jackson : Adding to Molly's contribution, our CESU CA is actually with both Yosemite and Sequoia-Kings National Parks and we have a field station at Sequoia as well. That field station is a simple lease with the NPS which has it's own pros/cons.
09:54:55	 From  Sarah Oktay : For FSML infrastructure grants with jointly managed or owned facilities  does anyone have an idea of the minimum # of years for an agreement? 10 years? 25?
09:55:30	 From  Molly Stephens : Lease for Sequoia is by year
09:57:30	 From  Anne Kelly : My understanding is that the state money is kind of pro-rated over the term of the state-fed agreement
10:02:23	 From  Molly Stephens : UC Merced also is not currently an official “Park Partner”. Gaining this status could be helpful - I’m curious if other stations have this status w/ their partners.
10:05:42	 From  Sarah Oktay : absolutely those papers would be helpful Michael!
10:09:21	 From  Joseph Forrest/Santa Rosa Island Research Station : https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/66/8/693/2464030
10:09:38	 From  Michael Stevens : https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/66/8/693/2464030
10:11:00	 From  Sarah Oktay : Our park superintendent felt a longer agreement was doable (Lassen)
10:14:58	 From  Michael Stevens : The first link is a survey of university employees involved in field-station partnerships. This link focus on NPS employees' perspectives on field stations: https://ijw.org/perspectives-of-us-nps-employees/
10:36:37	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : We own all of our facilites and if we are to leave, we are suppose to take them with us, I doubt we will get to that ever.
10:38:20	 From  Steven Hick - Echo Lake CO : Same with us in Arapaho-Roosevelt NF.
10:40:21	 From  Breezy Jackson : All our facilities are owned by NPS including two historic buildings. The previous special use permit included quite a bit of NPS responsibility for external preventative maintenance, for example. The NPS did not have capacity to keep up with those responsibilities which led to disrepair. In the current task agreement, we've taken responsibility for everything except external utilities. Big challenges include facility requirements of the UC that are not required for NPS like sprinkler systems and seismic.
10:45:38	 From  Sarah Oktay : Univ of Mass had a similar agreement on Nantucket with a group similar to TNC (we owned buildings, they owned land underneath), if we left we had to take the buildings (which were historic so not sure that would actually work) or deed them over.
10:59:36	 From  Robyn Shea : Are coop agreements clear cut for others as far as responsibilities? Ours is vague and open for interp.
11:03:45	 From  Anne Kelly : Yes, the coop agreements I’ve seen are pretty vague, but the specifics go into addenda.
11:04:03	 From  Breezy Jackson : Our CA is vague, but the Facilities TA is specific.
11:05:14	 From  Jay Reti : Robyn, were able to charge NPS at all for staff time during that work?
11:08:58	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : NPS is National Park System? sorry..not to familiar with acronyms
11:09:09	 From  Sarah Oktay : Yes
11:11:22	 From  Joseph Forrest/Santa Rosa Island Research Station : David, NPS is National Park Service 
11:12:36	 From  Molly Stephens : I think our strategy (maybe it’s a hope) is that in taking on a greater responsibility on the university side in our agreements  for maintenance, we acknowledge NPS’s constraint in having no foreseeable capacity to do maintenance/improvements YET we can leave the door open for potential federal or state pass-through or congressional items and seize those opportunities as they arise. To be in the NPS queue so we are poised/eligible for projects.
11:13:36	 From  Anne Kelly : We (the past fed lands workshops) have been compiling agreement examples, we can share this google drive folder
11:14:11	 From  Breezy Jackson : Right, our Facilities Task Agreement leaves the door open for more National Park Service contribution without requiring that contribution.
11:15:04	 From  Anne Kelly : Here’s a google drive of resources, please add to it: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a2i8SOLM_IlIv-jjHLBqnjIEangeb8_l?usp=sharing
11:15:18	 From  Sarah Oktay : Thanks Anne, that is really helpful long term
11:15:32	 From  Molly Stephens : Thank you Anne, that’s helpful!
11:17:46	 From  Anne Kelly : I found it really easy to get agreement for a blanket research permit started with the Forest Service adjacent to the NPS land….
11:17:48	 From  Sarah Oktay : one special use permit sometimes works will for research for instance at Rocky Mountian Bio Lab
11:18:30	 From  Sarah Oktay : RMBLs permit covered 1 million acres and several researchers, but yes more invasive permits required separate ones
11:19:11	 From  Anne Kelly : I’ll clarify, a blanket “educational research” permit for the forest service land. It outlined a (somewhat thrashed) piece of forest we could install instrumentation, dig soil pits, fly drones, all kinds of stuff.
11:19:39	 From  Robyn Shea : Does anyone else have Wilderness Designation challenges at their sites?

11:19:52	 From  Anne Kelly : Definitely in Mojave NP
11:20:09	 From  Jay Reti : Santa Cruz Island, and Channel Islands wide
11:20:15	 From  Breezy Jackson : Then, is Allison responsible for IRMA reporting?
11:21:34	 From  Anne Kelly : Allison - can you share that language with us?
11:22:22	 From  Molly Stephens : I think the key difference is at YOSE we don’t typically have groups doing field work at the “field station” property/ies…our groups are going into the park lands.
11:25:34	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : how long does it usually take to process a permit in the US? Do you have to have a permit is you work outside the park?  Do you have a different treatment if you are working with genetic material and or cites species?
11:28:58	 From  Anne Kelly : You’ll see many of their names in the “participant list” from past workshops in the google drive, please add your name if you’d like to be engaged in future convos!
11:29:03	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : I will be more than happy to help if you ever have to do any permits with Ecuador…that is defiantly a challenge
11:29:58	 From  Anne Kelly : David - permits take a few weeks to a few months. It generally depends on the staffing and process at the parks. It takes longer if any archaeological sites might be disturbed
11:30:31	 From  Sarah Oktay : helps to be considered a stakeholder when there are hearings on permit designations and or changes
11:32:36	 From  Breezy Jackson : I think one key thing to think about is that the funding cycles do not align with the long time it can take to get a permit. If you hear about funding in March for work starting in May, that may not be enough time to acquire a permit that requires a minimum requirement analysis, NEPA, archeological, T&E species. 
11:36:09	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : It sounds like we are in much better shape. It takes 1 month for regular permits, and up to 3 months for access to genetic resources contracts
11:37:01	 From  Sarah Oktay : wow that is great David!
11:39:08	 From  Steven Hick - Echo Lake CO : Great group! Great conversation!
11:39:11	 From  Breezy Jackson : I'm curious about research priorities. How do you work with federal partners to describe and carry these out?
11:40:42	 From  Breezy Jackson : Sorry, I bet we could have an entire workshop on this.
11:41:28	 From  Michael Flinn : Identifying needs of federal partner have helped us. We have a MOU with US Forest Service (Land Between the Lakes) and we (Murray State University house all of their cultural artifacts at the University), this helps grease the wheels and helps us gain traction when opening new doors research activities.
11:42:32	 From  Sarah Oktay : we did the same at RMBL (invited our federal partners to regular research meetings to build out joint research projects) totally agree- helped a lot on permitting and even on some funding
11:46:02	 From  Sarah Oktay : Anne created that google doc for us above form last year or before 
11:46:43	 From  Anne Kelly : Here’s the link to the google drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1a2i8SOLM_IlIv-jjHLBqnjIEangeb8_l?usp=sharing
11:46:49	 From  Sarah Oktay : Thanks Anne!!
11:46:50	 From  Anne Kelly : Please add your great resources!!!
11:46:55	 From  Robyn Shea : Thank you Anne!
11:49:36	 From  Anne Kelly : We have the roster from last time in that google drive too
11:55:20	 From  Sarah Oktay : last year I think there were powerpoints from a federal partner concurrent session or workshop. that might be worth sharing.
11:56:11	 From  Anne Kelly : Great to see you all!!
11:56:16	 From  Allison Kidder : Thank you!
11:56:21	 From  Breezy Jackson : Thanks to everyone!
11:56:28	 From  Terry McGlynn : Thanks so much, y’all! I learned a lot from you.
11:56:31	 From  Jay Reti : Thank you to everyone, this was very helpful!
11:56:31	 From  Robyn Shea : Thanks so much everyone and stay healthy out there.
11:56:41	 From  Sarah Oktay : nice job Jeffrey and Russell, great sessions
11:56:44	 From  David Romo (Tiputini) : thank you all…it has been very interesting
11:56:45	 From  Jason Wallace : Thanks!! Great job everyone.